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Mihai60
post 10 Jun 2009, 07:48
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Ca in fiecare an ies din tara pentru a vizita cate ceva. KM sunt multi dar la cate zile am planificat este OK.
Conduc regulamentar, nu depasesc viteza maxima admisa, sotia, fii-miu si eu.
Anul asta traseul va fi :
una noapte - Paprika ( HU ) am fost - 980 km
doua nopti - Antwerp ( B ) in treacat cateva ore acum doi ani - 1200 km
sase nopti - Paris ( F ) am mai stat acum patru ani ~ 350 km
patru nopti - Rochefort ( F ) nu am mai fost ~ 750 km prin Rouen, Le Mont Saint Michelle
patru nopti - Sarnen ( Elvetia ) nu am mai fost ~ 1020 km
doua nopti - Viena ( A ) am fost. ~ 850 km
una noapte - Arad - 520 km
Bucuresti - 550 km

Intrebarea este = tinand cont ca transportul pe autostrazile in Franta este scump ( exagerat ) cum as putea sa ocolesc punctele de taxare ?
Am incercat cu Michelin-ul drumurile nationale fara plata ( F ) iar timpul de parcurs a crescut cu ~ 10h. Este OK ?

Cu totul preconizez sa ajung pe la ~ 7500 km.

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post 10 Jun 2009, 08:05
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Un proiect frumos dar ambitios!
La ~21 zile de calatorie, ce mai conteaza 10 ore insa cred ca vor fi mai multe !?
Avand in vedere distanta, cred ca la plecare va trebui facuta revizia! smile.gif
Iti urez calatorie usoara, fara peripetii si astept un Jurnal de Calatorie!


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post 10 Jun 2009, 11:52
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Salut Mihai,
traseul meu din vara aceasta arata asa:
Bucuresti - Gyor - Venezia (2 nopti) - Nisa (2 nopti) - urc prin Alpi spre Orleans - Blois - Tours - St Nazaire - St Malo - Reims - Budapesta (2 nopti) - Bucuresti. (aprox 7500 km)

Am studiat destul traseul si am tot citit pe diverse forumuri - majoritatea celor ce posteaza sustin ca mergand pe drumurile nationale poti vedea mult mai bine zonele ce urmeaza a fi vizitate. E si mai ieftin si mult mai frumos.

Eu voi merge pe drumurile nationale pentru a vedea Coasta de Azur si Valea Loirei cat mai "la pas"...
In zilele grele (am doua zile in care trec de 1000km/zi) voi alege clar autostrazile, pentru ca nu se poate altfel.

Din discutii cu prietenii care au mai mers in Franta, am inteles ca se circula destul de bine pe "nationale" fata de Italia unde se spune ca e mai aglomerat.
Asadar - daca ai timp - drumuri nationale, daca te grabesti - autostrazi.
Bafta si drum bun!

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post 10 Jun 2009, 13:45
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" adi_ar "
Cel mai naspa este portiunea Buc - Paprika si Arad - Buc. In rest cel de 1200km pana la Antwerp este autostrada ( A si DE ).
Portiunea Franta Elvetia 1020km vor fi facuti pe autostrada - cat se poate.
Anul trecut am ajuns pana la Madrid ( 4 nopti ), Barcelona ( 4 nopti ), Cannes ( 4 nopti ), Andorra ( 1 noapte ), ....... A fost chiar usor.

" jack "
Voi incerca in Franta pe nationale. Oricum de la Paris pana la Rochefort voi merge mai mult pe coasta Oceanului. Pe Coasta de Azur am avut ~ doua zile de umblari non-autostrada. La un moment dat si GPS-ul m-a incurcat si am ajuns in balarii. Am avut un MIO C720B. Anul asta sper sa fie mai bine cu ce am achizitionat.

In attach diferente timp si pret autostrazi sau nationale

Drum bun si voua

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post 12 Jun 2009, 10:24
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@Mihai

Diferenta in bani ar fi undeva la 70-80 eur pentru tine. Ca timp...nu stiu ce sa zic - depinde mult cu cine mergi; daca familia/prietenii cu care calatoresti rezista la drum/plictiseala, etc.
Devin factori importanti cand vorbim de 8-10 ore/zi in masina.
La mine doar taxele se vor ridica undeva la 220-240 eur (taxe+vignete)
Mai adaug rotunjind taxe de parcare de aprox 150-180 eur...
Dar pana la urma ne plimbam, vedem locuri frumoase si merita.
Ne asumam oboseala pe care o vom aduna in concediu smile.gif


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post 12 Jun 2009, 11:53
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La 80 euro ( F ) mai bine merg pe autostrada si ajung mai devreme.
In masina vor fi copilotul wink.gif care nu-mi da voie sa depasesc viteza regulamentara si fii-miu.
Depinde acum si ce doreste sa vizitam in cele patru zile - Rochefort.
In Elvetia macar platesti o singura data si mergi tot anul.
La parcari in Paris sunt pregatit pentru 25 / zi. Nu voi merge cu ea.
Concediu tot concediu ramane si nu merita sa castigi 1h / zi depasind viteza legala.
Asa sunt eu smile.gif
Obosit voi fi doar dupa primul si ultimul traseu lung. Adica in Romanica.


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post 12 Jun 2009, 12:23
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La paris nu prea are sens sa platesti parcarea aia scumpa,te poti invarti pana gasesti un loc liber pe langa hotel ca vei gasi in cele din urma, mai ales ca stai 6 zile..iar in rest metrou,RER samd..doar au aproape 300 de statii de metrou..parerea mea,hac alcoholic.gif

eu am regretat ca n-am fost cu masina pana acolo,au un trafic atat de decent ca ti-e mai mare dragul sa conduci..insa mare atentie la parcari ca te cam inghesuie


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post 12 Jun 2009, 12:46
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Cazarea o am in cartierul Montmartre. Este cam inghesuiala pe acolo. Pe respectiva strada este sens unic. Stiu ca pe strada parcheaza cum apuca ( corect dar foarte aproape unul de celalalt ). Tot pretul asta l-am platit anul trecut si in Barcelona si in Madrid sad.gif Voi vedea la fata locului.
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post 13 Jun 2009, 17:33
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Salut,
A trecut cineva prin Serbia?
Merg spre Graz si amales traseul prin Serbia.
M-ar interesa,taxe autostrada,timpi,etc.


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@ Mihai - la fel fac si eu cand merg in afara tarii: maxim 10km/h peste limita legala. Chiar nu are rost sa fortez peste.

@gabigabi - raportat la varianta "clasica" prin Budapesta/Viena, prin Serbia traseul e mai scurt cu aprox 200km, dar vigneta e destul de scumpa - stiam ceva de genul 25 eur.


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Gabi Gabi, citeste aici http://www.reno.ro/Spre-Grecia-prin-Serbia...nia-t80976.html toate detaliile despre calatoria prin Serbia, nu te lasa indus in eroare de titlu, sunt destule detalii pentru a-ti face o idee despre tranzitarea Serbiei.


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post 15 Jun 2009, 20:15
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Nici macar cei 10 de care zici tu.
Urla GPS-ul si pe langa el copilotul biggrin.gif


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post 16 Jun 2009, 07:21
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cu gps-ul am rezolvat cat de cat....lucrez la partea a doua biggrin.gif

un site ce ofera POI din Franta; doar selectezi regiunea in care mergi:

http://www.francethisway.com/


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post 16 Jun 2009, 07:30
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Prin Serbia nu se plateste vigneta, doar taxa de autostrada. Se poate plati in Euro si nu e un capat de tara. Eu am revenit anul trecut din Franta prin Slovenia, Croatia si Serbia si nu am regretat. Daca mergi te sfatuiesc sa nu ratezi Clisura Dunarii. Inca ceva ai grija sa ai Cartea Verde ( uite-te la a ta daca are Serbia barata sau nu; daca o are te mai costa cam 10 E suplimentul la orice Agentie ). Si inca ceva eu am alimentat si am putut plati in E benzina; iti fac ei conversia si nu te trag in piept.


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post 23 Jun 2009, 08:07
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frumos si anul acesta Mihai! Unde ai gasit pana la urma cazare la paris?
La intoarcere recomand (ca pret , conditii) sa innoptezi la Mako, la Autospanzio, camera dubla este 40e , au parcare interioara pazita video, mancare excelenta si ieftina (max 20 e 3 pers ).
am facut greseala sa ma opresc odata la Arad (din dorinta de a ma simti acasa) si nu am fost multumit deloc de hotel , de pret nu mai vorbim corelat cu conditiile oferite.


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post 23 Jun 2009, 09:02
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Salutare

De mult nu ai mai scris nimic dry.gif
In Paris este singurul loc unde nu am putut rezolva de unul singur ( mail + telefoane ) cazarea. Am apelat la Exi.....ur. Si anul trecut am apelat la ei pentru Barcelona si Madrid.
Am deja camera rezervata la Maxim ( Arad ). Nu suntem foarte pretentiosi. Am stat aici in Decembrie 2008 doua nopti. Una la dus, una la intors. Posibil sa fie mult mai bine la Mako dar prefer sa stiu ca sunt la noi in RO iar distanta pana acasa este mai mica. Stii si tu cum este drumul.

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PS. Multumesc pentru ce ai scris aici http://reno.ro/Radare-Austria-t152062.html
Prima cazare va fi Paprika ( 980 ) a doua Antwerp ( 1200 ). Nu oprim decat sa mancam de pranz si sa alimentez.

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post 24 Jun 2009, 21:03
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Multumesc Domnilor,apreciez.
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dintre toti care ati mers pe afara,citi ati avut cruise control ?
Merita?
Este cineva cu Megane 1 care are montat asa ceva?


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post 26 Jun 2009, 07:36
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La cati km faci pe autostrada merita asa ceva. Picioarele amortesc si daca nu ai avea asa ceva cum le dezmortesti ?
Este adevarat ca nu merita la noi sau mai bine zis merita pentru cei care fac A1 sau A2 des.
Parerea mea - este o functie care ar trebui introdusa la toate masinile.
Am Scenic-II si am control pe volan.

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PS. Chiar daca costa after-market ~ 400 RON merita. Nu stiu daca va avea aceleasi functii.


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post 26 Jun 2009, 07:47
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Mai eu am mers anul trecut Rm.Valcea - Arad - Viena - Munchen - Laussane - Grenoble - Toulon - Hyeres in 3 zile si apoi Hyeres - Genoa - Verona - Venetia - Ljubliana - Zagreb - Belgrad - Clisura Dunarii - Drobeta - Tg.Jiu - Rm. Valcea tot in 3 zile, conducand un Logan, fara cruise, singur si cu familia dupa mine. N-am murit, dar recunosc ca a fost dificil si un cruise mai ales pe aut. ar fi fost f. bun. Am respectat in schimb regula citita pe Michelin.com si anume cca 2 ore mers + cca 10 min pauza.


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post 26 Jun 2009, 07:56
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De murit nu mori dry.gif .
La noi in RO normal ca nu ai cum sa-i dai drumul. Poate pe Buc-Pit.
Afara la sutele de km pe autostrada merita.


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post 26 Jun 2009, 14:18
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Am nevoie de detaliile ref.la traseul de intoarcere al tau:Genoa - Verona - Venetia - Ljubliana - Zagreb - Belgrad - Clisura Dunarii .
Eu am sa-l fac invers pina la Graz. Voi fi pt prima oara pe acest traseu si voriam sa-ti ce ceva detalii.Plec in Iulie.
da-mi lasi un tel. poate-mi dai 10-15 min sa-mi povestesti citeceva.

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gabigabi ti-as da dar daca scriem pe aici ajutam pe mai multi. In fond asta e si ideea. Eu unul am fost ajutat enorm de postarile de pe aici in fiecare concediu in care am plecat si asa vrea la randul meu sa ii ajut si pe altii. Sper ca nu te-ai suparat! Deci spune-mi ce te-ar interesa!


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Impresii dupa 7673.8km smile.gif Totul a fost impecabil - cam scurt radmasa.gif
Masina - impecabil.
Plecarea a fost in data de 02-iulie la ora 03:40. Primul popas mai lung la Deva la MD. granita la 14:00. Sosire Paprika 19:00. Sorry de prima poza.
Acum doi ani am ratat sa fac poza in fata uzinei Renault Douai de unde a iesit automobilul nostru.
In acest weekend voi selecta din pozele facute si voi incerca sa dau lamuriri pentru fiecare zi. Traseul nu a fost greu. Cine crede acest lucru se inseala.

24 Jul 2009, 15:57:
Prin primele imagini incerc sa arat partea nasoala a vestului. Atata cat am vazut.
Poate cineva reuseste sa le posteze mai departe in ziare asa cum fac cei din Occident cu noi.


24 Jul 2009, 16:03:
Continuare cu parcarile - in special in Paris. cred ca la noi este LUX biggrin.gif
Doua poze sunt din Austria.

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De acum voi incerca sa pun poze mult mai placute ( selectate ) / zi. Orasele le voi trece in descriere. Las in poze si exif-ul pentru data si ora. Am facut poze cu aparat foto Sony DSC-T200 si cu camera video DCR-SR290E. Din aceasta cauza apar literele de inceput la fel dar cifrele difera. A trebuit sa le aranjez dupa data si ora modificarii ( salvarii ).
Prima zi - plecare la ora ~ 04:00 catre Paprika.
Oltul ( foarte curat biggrin.gif fata de Oceanul Atlantic - poze mai tarziu )
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26 Jul 2009, 18:41:
A doua zi a fost la fel - fara ceva interesant. Am oprit in Regensburg pentru a manca si normal ( Shopp... ). Seara am ajuns in Belgia, Antwerp, Hotel Diamond.

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Pozele vor fi micsorate pentru salvarea spatiului .....

Am uitat sa scriu - La Paprika camera buna, baia fara sapun, fara sampon, prosoape da, curat da. Mic dejun impecabil.
Camera la Diamond impecabila. Sprafata ei de ~ 22m, baia ~ 10m - sapun, sampon, exagerat de multe prosoape. Foarte curat, paturile mari, LCD imens biggrin.gif . Mic dejun bun. Am lasat masina in parcarea interioara a hotelului ( 15 / zi ). Internet 5 / h. Galagie mare pe strada noaptea.
04 iulie a fost planificat Antwerp-ul si atat ( normal ca majoritatea timpului magazine - fiind sambata ghinionul meu ). La prima ora pustiu pe strazi dar dupa un timp te deplasai cu greu printre pietoni.



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05 iulie. Nu avea rost sa mai stam in Antwerp ( duminica ) asa ca am plecat spre Franta.
De cand am luat masina ( 2007 ) am dorit sa ajung la Douai. In parcarea din fata Uzinei era targ de masini. Angajatii au dreptul dupa catva timp ( ??? ) sa-si vanda masinile achizitionate. Am vazut pe viu cum arata noul Grand Scenic. impresie nu prea buna. Asteptam sa fie mai mare. partea din spate portbagaj este destul de joasa. vechiul Grand este mai inalt. Pretul era de 17.000 / 10.000km / navigatie, fara Xenon ( spalatoare, .... ). era si un Koleos. in fine a vazut a mea sotie ca in portbagaj nu incape mai nimic. este foarte inalt in spate, loc sezut in spate nu prea. Al nostru Scenic normal are mai mult spatiu. Toti se uitau foarte mirati cand am aparut acolo. credeau ca le stric piata smile.gif
De aici am plecat spre Paris. Prin Amiens. Aveam la alegere Amiens sau Laon. Am preferat primul oras. Mai cunoscut.
urmatorul popas a fost surpriza pentru mine. pentru sotia mea, nu. Ceva gen Parndorf, mai select, mai putini ( de loc ) conationali..... http://www.valdeurope.fr/106-13524-Val-d-Europe.php
Seara am ajuns in Paris la hotel.

28 Jul 2009, 21:37:
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Hotelul unde am stat. Camera mica, etajul 1, curte interioara, mic dejun MIC, WiFi Free biggrin.gif. Am lasat masina intr-o parcare subterana la ~ 500m de hotel. Pe zi era ~ 25 euro. Am luat o saptamana cu reducere = 101 euro.
De dimineata am pornit = Sacre Coeur, Place La Concorde, Champs-Elysee se pregateau pentru ziua Nationala a Fr, Prezentare auto Peugeot, , Arcul de Triumf, Galeriile Lafayette.
Cred ca multi stiu sau recunosc aceste locatii.

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Plimbare pe langa Luvru ( am fost altadata inauntru ), malul Senei, Notre Dame, Rue De Rivoli, Galeriile Laf, Houssman, metrou pana la Pigalle.
Pretul afisat la Hotel mult mai mare deact am platit noi din Bucuresti. Pe zi am avut de platit pentru trei persoane 120 euro cu mic dejun cu tot.
Din cauza evaziunii fiscale a patronului magazinul Samaritaine a fost inchis - vezi poza ziar. Macar in Franta se inchide fabrica de castiguri ilicite a hotilor.
Suportul de hartie nu este nici din aur nici din alt metal pretios. Poate din cauza culorii hartiei anti-jeg dry.gif Sena nu este chiar asa de curata. Se poate compara cu Dambovita noastra ( Micul Paris ).

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8 iulie
Cu masina - Velizzy 2 fara poze



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9 iulie
Metrou pana la Luvru, Museul D`Orsai, metrou pana la Eiffel, Champs-Elysee ( Renault ), La Fayette
Iar nu am avut succes cu fii-miu de a urca in Eiffel ( acum patru ani am platit pana sus iar la jumatate prima terasa au renuntat amandoi ). Cica este vechi si ruginit radmasa.gif Macar acum nu am mai platit degeaba.

30 Jul 2009, 20:31:
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Cu masina - Panteon, Lafayette in cartierul din S, cladire 56 + 3 etaje, La Defence
Macar am urcat in cladirea cu 59 de etaje. Culmea ca a vrut chiar sa mearga pe terasa. Nu am mai dat banii degeaba. A ramas tot la ideea lui Effel este vechi si ruginit iar aceasta cladire este totusi cladire. A fost construita de aceeasi firma care a construit turnul de TV din Berlin si are aceeasi inaltime. AM stat in el ~ 1h pentru ca la parter ( langa cladire ) era un Lafayette.

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Paris - Rochefort
Am trecut prin Rouen. Un oras foarte linistit. Poate ca era duminica poate ca eram noi matinali. Napoleon I. Mai era ceva gen catedrala dar nu era intretinuta la fel de bine ca prima. Vezi poza cu panza de paianjeni smile.gif . Catedrala Rouen in restaurare. In interior era o scara care ducea la o usa de piatra !!!.
Le Mont-Saint-Michel ceva impresionant. Am fost foarte suparati ca nu aveam timp sa stam sa vedem mareea mare si mica ( flux / reflux ). Am stat un pic si am plecat pentru ca mai aveam de parcurs multi km si nu mergeam pe autostrada. Fata de hartile mele ( Microsoft Autoroute 2007 ) am fost scos pe o nationala mergand pe drumuri de tara. Trebuia sa merg pe banda alba din dreapta pentru a trece masinile din sens invers. Seara destul de tarziu am ajuns in Rochefort la Motelul Campanile. Problema intampinata aici nu aveau camere de trei paturi la etaj. In rest camera curata ( impecabil ), baia, sampon, uscator, in camera incalzitor apa, cani, plicuri ( cafea, ceai trei feluri, zahar ), napolitane. Acestea erau schimbate in fiecare zi. Per ansamblu multumit spre F.multumit. La fel si micul dejun bun spre F.bun.

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Asa cum am mai scris - camera, micul dejun bune ( in afara ca stateam la parter ).
De dimineata am plecat cu masina. Doream sa ajungem pe insula “ Ile de Re “. Ajungand la podul care leaga aceasta insula de continent si vazand ceata ( timp nefavorabil – doua poze cu podul ) am renuntat. Taxa de traversare era de 16 euro .
Am plecat mai departe adica inapoi spre Rochefort sa vedem macar insula “ D`Oleron “. Aici fiind si ramasitele unui castel am zis ca poate va fi ceva interesant. In larg erau cativa localnici care pescuiau vietati marine ( oceanice ). Dimineata le vindeau in piata. Dupa ce am vizitat cat de cat insula am revenit pe Continent. Am cautat o plaja unde sa putem ajunge la apa curata. Nu am gasit . Toata este …. Vezi poze. Spectaculos DA – acelasi flux si reflux care este aproape pe tot tarmul de Vest al Frantei spre Oceanul Atlantic. In jurul orei 17 apa este la o distanta impresionanta de tarm. Pana la ora 18 si ceva apa ajunge in final la mal dar vazand cum arata am renuntat sa …... ne bagam picioarele. Seara am revenit la Motelul nostru si la iepurii din curtea din spate.


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